So quitter.no is closing:
https://quitter.no/notice/6360708
We have made huge strides, as #Fediverse, since the times of identi.ca. When identi.ca switched to pumpio (and thus dropped off of the federation), that was a huge blow. This was the biggest server, by far, and it left a gaping hole in the Fediverse.
These days a big server closes, and as sad as it is, people move on, Federation continues.
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@rysiek the benevolent dictator model in all its glory...
@Antanicus and yet Fediverse is resilient enough for this to be an inconvenience, not an endgame.
@rysiek well, for those who invested 4 years of their social lives into quitter.no, it is quite the endgame...
It's about time we kill the BDFL model for good, if we want FOSS to actually succeed.
@Antanicus I agree BDFL is no good.
And I am annoyed by how it's still not automatic to move an account (with content and followers, and...) across instances.
That being said, no, this is not an *endgame*. An *endgame* is when failbook or birdsite blocks your account for good and you have nowhere else to go.
it's not perfect, but it's way better than centralized stuff. We do need to build *more* resiliency into it, to be sure, but let's appreciate what we have already.
This is why you want moving accounts and/or virtualhost support
@webmind @rysiek The most relevant point here is that FOSS communities are tied to a toxic, outdated model and they are doing literally nothing to address the core issue (the BDFL), instead focusing on technological workarounds. Don't get me wrong, moving accounts is a good feature to have, but it falls under the "tech solutions to non-tech problems" which is the specialty of Silicon Valley techbros.
how would you suggest to deal with (inherent) power structures where one person or a small group decides to offer a service and/or develop some software. If -they- are not the people to decide, who is?
@webmind
@Antanicus @rysiek
I believe the suggestion is that instances be run by cooperatives, not by individuals.
who makes the coop, the admins or the users?
@webmind
@Antanicus @rysiek
Both admin users and non-admin users, as I understand it.
Hmm....
There's some interesting elements, the core of the knowledge of how the system works, effort required, and the actual labour lies with the admins. Users can have some (theoretical) knowledge on the system, practical experience with other systems and possibly at large will have limited knowledge on the system. Their labour will be minimal but could perhaps contribute in other ways. A certain value of the system is also generated by the users (the content).
@webmind @gcupc @Antanicus @rysiek Right now, we have distributed social networks, because spawning new Mastodons is dirt cheap and you can do it on literally every server from thousands of server providers.
@webmind @gcupc @Antanicus @rysiek We do not have distributed power structures; for small projects, the cost of distributing knowledge is insanely high compared to the above.
@phoe @gcupc @Antanicus @rysiek
I do wish more effort was directed at improving peer2peer education/knowledge sharing. A lot educational tools are aimed at 'teachers' educating class-rooms of 'students', There is of-course the 'autodidactic' approach. But tools improve the knowledge-sharing for any human node to any other human node I've found lacking.
I'm quite a fan of including basic didactical skills in the typical school-curriculum. But prefer a #p2p model from the ground up.
#education
@webmind @gcupc @Antanicus @rysiek I am very interested in that topic. Do you have any suggested reading or videos on that topic? How does one even begin sharing knowledge about X in a truly p2p manner?
......geez, it feels *so* weird to ask questions like this. This is how humanity bootstrapped itself, peer-to-peer knowledge exchange. And yet we're in an era where we need to discover this wheel anew just in order to keep ourselves and our communities healthy and sane!
@phoe @gcupc @Antanicus @rysiek
Sorry, I am quite lacking on texts on the topic. I've given the topic quite some thought during my education to become a teacher and afterwards it continues to have my interest.
A topic of interest could be 'democratic education' which also relies on knowledge sharing among 'students' (they generally don't make a teacher/student divide). the summerhill and sudbury vally schools are classic examples here.
@krozruch @rysiek @Antanicus @gcupc @phoe
When designing classes for other teachers, you usually also provide a 'letter' for the teacher. This provides tips on how to support the student and where they are likely to make errors. Including documents like this with your usual documentation might be quite valuable. This does require accepting that not every 'student' will be able to deal with the documentation on it's own. A truth I think often ignored/avoided in the #software world. #education
